Posts by King Solomon

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Sparlock is Sator

by Borges in

in the german edition of the new dvd sparlock is called sator.

i'm sorry about this, because sparlock sounds much better and meanwhile it is a powerfull meme (and i was thinking about antending one of the dc here with a sparlock-shirt).

you see the typical german lack of imagination.

The Sator Square is a four-times palindrome, and some people have attributed magical properties to it, considering it one of the broadest magical formulas in the occident. An article on the square from The Saint Louis Medical and Surgical Journal vol. 76, reports that palindromes were viewed as being immune to tampering by the devil, who would become confused by the repetition of the letters, and hence their popularity in magical use.

Hence conclusively proving that medicine and surgery are derived from experimenting with magical practices, and thus should be avoided at all costs.

(Remember, when one's spiritual health and well-being is on the line, it's better to be safe than sorry.)

Getting serious: medicine has just as many (if not MORE) roots in pagan practices as Christmas does (and the distinction between religious belief and medicine were non-existent in the past), but you don't see JWs refusing medicine, due to it's pagan roots and use of symbols of idolatry (e.g. the cadeuceus, the serpent, long associated with healing and regeneration), do you?

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Topic of the day "if the stones can cry out" why go door to door?

by dreamgolfer in

King Solomon

A talking stone would be far more interesting than a talking bald guy in a bad suit or a fat woman with long graying hair and a peasant skirt.

HOWEVER, it seems Jesus forgot the implied message of the talking serpent in the Garden of Eden account: if something talks that doesn't normally do so (eg a snake, a rock, a tree, etc), it's probably best NOT to do what it tells you to do.... :)

On the other hand, I coulda swore I walked past a few rocks at Disneyland which were SINGING, and periodically talking about how long until we'd get on the ride? It sounded like it knew what it was talking about, so I dunno?

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Crisis of Conscience, Apostacy and the Antichrist

by konceptual99 in

i've just finished reading coc and it's truely a thought provoking book that's given me much to think about.. one thing that has struck me is the way rf was disfellowshipped and how he tried to reason with the elders on the jc.

a key point of reasoning was that how the elders could define the disassocated one he ate with as "the antichrist" or one practicing the things described in 1 cor 9. apparently the elders either remain silent on the matter or said it was not for them to judge.. i thought the reasoning was really sound but i have been doing some checking on the definition of apostacy and the antichrist according to the society and it seems pretty clear to me that anyone guilt of apostacy becomes part of the antichrist.

characteristics of apostacy as defined in the it-1 book are described as follows:.

King Solomon

Soooo, if you believe JWs are the apostates, and you believe the admonishment to cast out apostates from your presence is valid, then what does one do?

That's why Ray called it a "crisis of conscience". Do you place one's own personal interests ahead of the commands of the Bible?

You could wait for them to banish you (letting them reject YOU as the apostate), or you could make your statement in good faith and renounciate them (declare THEM as the apostates).

RF did the former: I think he sacrificed his own moral standing in the eyes of God, by not rejecting them first.

(Disclaimer: I'm an atheist, and believe this quandry is a false dilemma; it's all about some men who want to control others, MANY others)

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Topic of the day "if the stones can cry out" why go door to door?

by dreamgolfer in

King Solomon

WTWiz said:

Because they can't waste MY time and energy by having the stones go out. Nor can the filthy angels waste MY time if they do the work themselves--so they just bark out orders and expect me to do the work.

I don't want to give the angels any bright ideas, but it seems like it would be more effective to delegate some of their authority and put the rocks in charge to bark out orders to the R&F.

Ohhhh, never-mind: it seems they already did. ;)

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Haircuts on men

by Caddy in

King Solomon

Too short, there isn't a damn thing they can do but wait the 6 weeks or so for it to grow back to 4-5 cm long.

When I was a kid of about 6, I remember not liking a haircut becuase it was too short, so trying to pull on it to stretch it out (didn't work)....

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Watching the World

by KingAgag in

when i was a kid in the meetings, bored out my brains, i'd try and read the "watching the world" articles just because they seemed less 'spiritual' than the rest.. then, only now looking back on it, i realise how negative they were.

here's my take on them: http://www.jehovahswitnessblog.com/cult/jehovahs-witnesses-watching-the-world/.

king agag .

King Solomon

I remember a lot of stories about starving babies with swollen bellies, etc. As stated, the message was perfectly clear: "see how bad things are getting? Told ya' so!"

And anytime a govt leader announced a peace treaty with the words, "peace and security" in their announcement, you could guarantee you'd see it later in WTW. Chicken Littles......

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Trying to talk to my mom - really discouraged, need help.

by rather be in hades in

jw
friends

so, i'm new here and i've decided to finally tell my mom the truth about jws.. and sorry for the long post.

i'm at my wits end.. here's some background:.

i grew p in a congregation in california, i'm not a born in, though i was raised in it from 5 - about 20. arond 20 i pretty mch faded out, bt the emotional ups and downs were jst all too much.

King Solomon

Rbih,

Just remember: it took decades for her to get there, and change doesn't happen rapidly. People sometimes never change, and you'll just have to accept them as they are.... I've had to accept that for some of my family, its just too late.... And they'd have to figure it out on their own: I can't make them do it; no one can. There's no magic words, unfortunately.

Remember, You didn't fail because she didn't accept it.

Silver lining is, The bad things that COULD have happened DIDN'T, so maybe good to be thankful for her getting you this far, and focusing on whats ahead, and leave the past in the past. She's lucky to have you as a son, and mustve done something right, because you've got a good heart... :)

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Quick, the elders are coming to the house! Hide that!

by bronzefist in

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friends

what did you have to hide from the elder's sight if they came to your house?.

King Solomon

Blondie's story reminds me of an incident that happened at our house when we hosted book-study. We had a smallish painting (maybe 6" by 8") hanging in the bathroom which depicted two young Italian fair maidens giggling and whispering to each other as they looked at the artist, ie they looked at you. It wasn't anything you'd notice, if you casually looked at the picture; you'd just think it was a protrait.

So a little boy of about 6 went into the bath-room to do his business, but after meeting my Mom realized someone had gouged the eyes out of the girls in the painting. Of course, we asked the boy about it privately, and he admitted doing it; his Mom was soooo embarrassed. He was nonplussed, and was forced to apologize (no apparent remorse; he seemed cold).

Dunno whatever happened to the little fella, but I'm guessing he's a serial killer now....

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About Anonymous they are working on things as we speak!

by life is to short in

soldier 77 just posted this about two hours ago but i think his post got lost is the great debate and straw mans that another posters was throwing around.. anyway i hope soldier 77 does not mind if i make a thread from his insight.

soldier 77 "this seems to have missed in the tangent argument going on: http://pastebin.com/3nitctlf.

anonymous are needing some more people on the inside to help.

King Solomon

LITS said:

I have notified the police, that is how I got some of the public records. The police are well aware that JW's send their pedophiles out. It is not against the law where I live for child molesters to go door to door. I was totally blown away when I heard that. I was sure that when I told them they would as you say "arrest them in the act," but unfortunately that is not the case.

Well, it is complicated by the fact that someone being convicted of pedophilia doesn't mean they lose their freedom of speech or freedom of religious worship, and if that worship requires them to go door-to-door, then there you go. It's based on our Constitution, and the protections it affords don't come without a cost.

(BTW, I did say this: maybe there is relevant case law to the contrary, but I'm not aware of it.)

It would be "interesting" if someone were to place an anonymous call, reporting they saw a known-convicted pedophile walking in the neighborhood and knocking on doors. Police show up, and the delay on-scene would be a wonderful opportunity to witness to the whole neighborhood, LOL! How many such episodes would the forgiving brothers tolerate before they decided the ex-pedophile might be better off writing those service letters from home?

LITS said:

What is against the law is for a person to allow a pedophile to hold and interact with children. Like the elders allowing the pedophiles to take care of kids during the meetings knowing that they are child molesters. It sounds backwards to me but that is how it has been explained to me by the police.

And those laws will vary from state-to-state, eg in CA there is a rule that a convicted pedophile cannot live within a certain distance from a school; however, the half-way houses often are located within that radius, so they cannot release them to these locations. Worse is that in densely-populated cities, the schools are dispersed such that there is actually NO neighborhood in which they can live; law of unintended consequences.

I understand 144001 where you are coming from but I still feel so frustrated by how I was trying to be forced by the religion to go against my principles and to put myself in line to be sued by a child in 20 years when they get to be the age of Candance.

If this is the first and only incident (i.e. no emergency blood transfusion for your child) you've encountered in the JWs of being forced to follow the flock, you are lucky, indeed. You're only fooling yourself, though, if you think you're going to reform the Society and make them change.... They base policies on a 3,000 yr old book, for cryin' out loud!! 2012 doesn't matter to them, anymore than 5012 would.

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The Field Service will end someday, maybe?

by Quarterback in

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friends

last month i heard a talk from a c.o.

he mentioned that the door to door service will come to an end.

he said that jehovah will tell us to stop it, eventually.

King Solomon

Blondie said:

I can hardly wait..........

Uh, Blondie dear, this is kind of awkward for me to say, but darling: didn't anyone tell you before now that you're not invited to participate? It is by invitation, only, and your name is NOT on the guest list.... :)